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When Nuance Vanishes: Searching for Truth in War

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Episode 312
September 23, 2025
00:59:37
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Hosted by Dave Levine

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Duke professor David Schanzer joined Hearsay Culture on August 21, 2025, to unpack his searing essay from his Perilous Times Substack, “Israel’s Gaza War Has Made Me a Shame to Be a Jewish Zionist.” Drawing on his national security expertise, Schanzer argues Israel’s response has crossed the line from self-defense to an unjust, immoral war. We dig into the polarizing narratives, the collapse of nuance in public debate, the role of the university in today’s information ecosystem, and the way social media amplifies extremes while drowning out facts. This candid conversation blends personal reflection with rigorous and unusual analysis—exactly the kind of dialogue missing from mainstream coverage and where Hearsay Culture thrives.

“There is no system or morality that says that anything goes to save 20 lives. And so that’s why I think you have no choice but to try to do your best, to try to take what information is available and describe to the rest of the world the level of human suffering that’s being caused by the continuation of this war on the other side, and then make some sort of relative judgment.” — David Schanzer

“The most violent element in society is ignorance.” – Emma Goldman

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ABOUT THE GUEST

David Schanzer

David Schanzer, professor at Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy, is a leading scholar on counterterrorism law, strategy, and homeland security. He has authored major National Institute of Justice studies on preventing violent extremism, served in senior roles in Congress, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Justice, and is a graduate of Harvard College and Harvard Law School. Widely published and a frequent media commentator, Schanzer also created two global online courses on 9/11, writes the Perilous Times Substack on democracy, and was honored in 2023 for excellence in teaching and mentorship.
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Dave Levine

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DAVID LEVINE

Dave Levine is the founder and host of Hearsay Culture. He is a Professor at Elon University School of Law and an Affiliate Scholar at the Center for Internet and Society (Stanford Law School). From 2014-2017, he was a Visiting Research Collaborator at Princeton University’s Center for Information Technology Policy. He is also the co-author of Information Law, Governance, and Cybersecurity (West 2019). A regular contributor to Slate, Dave has been published in leading newspapers, websites, and academic journals in the US and EU.

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