HEARSAY CULTURE RADIO
On KZSU Stanford’s Hearsay Culture, Dave Levine hosts Ty Cobb—former Trump Russia investigation attorney and one of the world’s leading white-collar/government investigations lawyers—for an urgent conversation about the core challenge facing the U.S. today: attacks on the rule of law. We move beyond the political and policy challenges of the day (which Ty discusses regularly on CNN and other networks), to focus instead on unprecedented insider candor about democracy under threat. Cobb argues that process—not partisanship—must steer truth-finding, even as free-speech threats, norm-breaking, and a judiciary with limited enforcement power strain the system. Tracing his path from Grand Canyon Trust battles to the Mueller Investigation years, he spotlights how character, clear messaging, and credible counter-voices can shore up democratic institutions. His brief to rising lawyers (and citizens): trust your instincts, do the next right thing, and keep the debate civil. (Recorded in October, 2025).
“The ability to have a civil conversation about the facts without somebody saying, ‘you’re lying,’ or ‘you don’t know what you’re talking about,’ is something that I think we’ve lost and had saved us in the past.” — Ty Cobb
“Wherever Law ends, Tyranny begins.” —John Locke, 1690
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